[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":601},["ShallowReactive",2],{"footer-links":3,"content-\u002Fdivine\u002Fclaims\u002Fi-am":12},[4,9],{"path":5,"title":6,"type":7,"isExternal":8},"\u002Fabout","About","link",false,{"path":10,"title":11,"type":7,"isExternal":8},"\u002Fdisclaimer","Disclaimer",{"id":13,"title":14,"body":15,"description":592,"extension":593,"meta":594,"navigation":596,"path":597,"seo":598,"stem":599,"__hash__":600},"content\u002Fdivine\u002Fclaims\u002Fi-am.md","John 8:58 (\"I Am\")",{"type":16,"value":17,"toc":580},"minimark",[18,29,42,45,50,53,68,71,99,106,117,128,148,152,162,194,208,211,229,232,268,272,275,312,324,354,366,382,389,397,410,450,462,467,496,500,503,507,516,565,568],[19,20,22,28],"h1",{"id":21},"john-858-i-am",[23,24,27],"span",{"className":25,"dataReference":27},[26],"bible-ref","John 8:58"," (\"I Am\")",[30,31,32,33,36,37,41],"p",{},"Could Jesus’ words, “before Abraham was, I am,” settle the claim that ",[23,34,27],{"className":35,"dataReference":27},[26]," equals ",[23,38,40],{"className":39,"dataReference":40},[26],"Exodus 3:14"," and therefore identifies Jesus as YHWH? The verbal connection deserves serious attention. Yet the question also requires care about Hebrew and Greek wording, literary context, and the difference between a text’s wording and a later theological conclusion.",[30,43,44],{},"By examining the original Greek and the historical context of the Septuagint, a more nuanced picture emerges. This article explores whether this statement was a claim to be God or a declaration of his role in God's eternal plan.",[46,47,49],"h2",{"id":48},"claiming-the-divine-title","Claiming the Divine Title",[30,51,52],{},"In the Old Testament, God identified himself as:",[54,55,56],"blockquote",{},[30,57,58,59,63,64],{},"And God said to Moses, “",[60,61,62],"strong",{},"I AM WHO I AM",".” — ",[23,65,67],{"className":66,"dataReference":67},[26],"Exodus 3:14 (NKJV)",[30,69,70],{},"In the New Testament, Jesus made the following statement:",[54,72,73],{},[30,74,75,76,82,83,94,95],{},"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was,\n",[77,78,79],"em",{},[60,80,81],{},"I AM",". ",[77,84,85,86,93],{},"(",[87,88,92],"a",{"href":89,"rel":90},"https:\u002F\u002Fbiblehub.com\u002Finterlinear\u002Fjohn\u002F8-58.htm",[91],"nofollow","egō eimi",")","”\n— ",[23,96,98],{"className":97,"dataReference":98},[26],"John 8:58 (NKJV)",[30,100,101,102,105],{},"In John’s Gospel, Jesus also uses important “I am” sayings, both with predicates, such as “",[60,103,104],{},"I am"," the bread of life”, and without an expressed predicate. The surrounding discussion of Abraham, Jesus’ claim that Abraham saw his day, and the hostile response all make this more than an ordinary introduction.",[30,107,108,109,112,113,116],{},"Based on these verses, some argue that Jesus is the same ",[77,110,111],{},"\"I AM\""," of ",[23,114,40],{"className":115,"dataReference":40},[26],".",[30,118,119,120,123,124,127],{},"For the equation “",[23,121,27],{"className":122,"dataReference":27},[26]," = ",[23,125,40],{"className":126,"dataReference":40},[26]," = Jesus = YHWH” to follow, several claims must be established rather than assumed:",[129,130,131,142,145],"ol",{},[132,133,134,137,138,141],"li",{},[23,135,27],{"className":136,"dataReference":27},[26]," must deliberately invoke ",[23,139,40],{"className":140,"dataReference":40},[26]," in a way that identifies Jesus with its speaker.",[132,143,144],{},"That invocation must establish the same personal identity, not merely scriptural resonance.",[132,146,147],{},"The identification must establish that Jesus shares YHWH’s divine status or essence.",[46,149,151],{"id":150},"linguistic-usage-of-i-am","Linguistic Usage of I Am",[30,153,154,155,157,158,116],{},"The Greek phrase ",[77,156,92],{}," (I am) is a common expression. It does not necessarily imply a claim to divinity. For instance, the man born blind identified himself using the exact same phrase in ",[23,159,161],{"className":160,"dataReference":161},[26],"John 9:9",[54,163,164,167,187],{},[30,165,166],{},"Therefore the neighbors and those who previously had seen that he was blind said, “Is not this he who sat and begged?”",[30,168,169,170,173,174,176,177,180,181],{},"Some said, “This is he.”",[171,172],"br",{},"\nOthers said, “He is like him.”",[171,175],{},"\nHe said, ",[60,178,179],{},"“I am he.”"," ",[77,182,85,183,93],{},[87,184,92],{"href":185,"rel":186},"https:\u002F\u002Fbiblehub.com\u002Finterlinear\u002Fjohn\u002F9-9.htm",[91],[30,188,189,190],{},"— ",[23,191,193],{"className":192,"dataReference":193},[26],"John 9:8-9 (NKJV)",[30,195,196,197,202,203,116],{},"Translators often render the same Greek words differently depending on the speaker. When Jesus speaks, the words are often translated as ",[77,198,199],{},[60,200,201],{},"\"I am\"",". When the blind man speaks, the same words are translated as ",[77,204,205],{},[60,206,207],{},"\"I am he\"",[30,209,210],{},"Similarly, Paul used this phrase to describe his own state:",[54,212,213],{},[30,214,215,216,180,218,224,225],{},"And Paul said, “I would to God that not only you, but also all who hear me today, might become both almost and altogether such as ",[60,217,104],{},[77,219,85,220,93],{},[87,221,92],{"href":222,"rel":223},"https:\u002F\u002Fbiblehub.com\u002Finterlinear\u002Facts\u002F26-29.htm",[91],", except for these chains.” — ",[23,226,228],{"className":227,"dataReference":228},[26],"Acts 26:29 (NKJV)",[30,230,231],{},"The phrase is also used as a simple self-identification or a question of identity by the disciples and Judas:",[54,233,234,249,262],{},[30,235,236,237,180,242,248],{},"And they were exceedingly sorrowful, and each of them began to say to him, “Lord, ",[77,238,239],{},[60,240,241],{},"is it I",[77,243,85,244,93],{},[87,245,92],{"href":246,"rel":247},"https:\u002F\u002Fbiblehub.com\u002Finterlinear\u002Fmatthew\u002F26-22.htm",[91],"?”",[30,250,251,252,180,256,248],{},"... Then Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, “Rabbi, ",[77,253,254],{},[60,255,241],{},[77,257,85,258,93],{},[87,259,92],{"href":260,"rel":261},"https:\u002F\u002Fbiblehub.com\u002Finterlinear\u002Fmatthew\u002F26-25.htm",[91],[30,263,189,264],{},[23,265,267],{"className":266,"dataReference":267},[26],"Matthew 26:22-25 (NKJV)",[46,269,271],{"id":270},"gods-name","God’s Name",[30,273,274],{},"God assures Moses of His presence, describes His continuing faithfulness, and identifies Himself as Israel’s ancestral God.",[54,276,277,306],{},[30,278,279,280,283,284,286,287,290,291,293,294,301,302,305],{},"So now, come and I will send you to Pharaoh, and so you shall bring My people, the sons of Israel, out of Egypt.”\nBut Moses said to God, “Who am I, that I should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring the sons of Israel out of Egypt?” And He said, “Certainly ",[60,281,282],{},"I will be"," with you, and this shall be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: when you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God at this mountain.”\nThen Moses said to God, “Behold, I am about to come to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ And they will say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?”",[171,285],{},"\nAnd God said to Moses, ",[77,288,289],{},"“I AM WHO I AM”","; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘",[77,292,81],{}," has sent me to you.’” And God furthermore said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘",[60,295,296],{},[87,297,300],{"href":298,"rel":299},"https:\u002F\u002Fofgod.info\u002Fname#yhwh",[91],"Yahweh",", the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ ",[60,303,304],{},"This is My name"," forever, and this is My memorial-name from generation to generation.",[30,307,189,308],{},[23,309,311],{"className":310,"dataReference":311},[26],"Exodus 3:10-15 (LSB)",[30,313,314,315,318,319,323],{},"Most English bibles translate ",[23,316,40],{"className":317,"dataReference":40},[26]," as \"I AM WHO I AM\" to align with ",[23,320,322],{"className":321,"dataReference":322},[26],"John 5:58",". However, the REV Bible commentator notes:",[54,325,326],{},[30,327,328,329,336,337,340,341,344,345,348,349],{},"a number of versions have ",[60,330,331,332,335],{},"“I will become ",[23,333,334],{},"or “be”"," what I will become”"," as an acceptable translation and put in a marginal note to that effect (cf. CEB, HCSB, ESV, NAB, NET, NIV, NLT, NRSV). There are other sources that support the reading “I will be” as well. For example, Theodotion and Aquila’s Greek Translations of the Torah (130–150AD) have, ",[60,338,339],{},"“I will be who I will be”"," (“εσομαι ὅς εσομαι;” esomai hos esomai). So they certainly capture the future tense of the Hebrew.a Also, the Aramaic Targums of Onkelos and Neofiti preserve the future tense “will be” of אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה in ",[23,342,40],{"className":343,"dataReference":40},[26],".b Also, William Propp’s Translation in the Anchor Bible series of ",[23,346,40],{"className":347,"dataReference":40},[26]," is, “Then Deity said to Moses, ‘I will be who I will be.’” And He said, “Thus you will say to Israel’s Sons: ‘I-will-be’ has sent me to you.” — ",[87,350,353],{"href":351,"rel":352},"https:\u002F\u002Frevbible.com\u002Fcomm\u002FExodus\u002Fchapter3\u002F14",[91],"REV Bible Commentary",[30,355,356,357,361,362,116],{},"The same verb also occurs in other places where it is translated as “will be”. For example ",[23,358,360],{"className":359,"dataReference":360},[26],"Exodus 4:12",",15; Deutoronomy 31:23; ",[23,363,365],{"className":364,"dataReference":365},[26],"Joshua 1:5",[54,367,368],{},[30,369,370,371,374,375,378,379],{},"The Hebrew verb translated as “will be” is an ",[60,372,373],{},"imperfect verb",", not a present tense verb. The imperfect verb in Hebrew is usually a ",[60,376,377],{},"future tense",". — ",[87,380,353],{"href":351,"rel":381},[91],[30,383,384,385,116],{},"The \"name\", \"I Will Be Who I Will Be\" is related to ",[87,386,388],{"href":298,"rel":387},[91],"God's name YHWH",[54,390,391],{},[30,392,393,394],{},"it is derived from the trilateral root (H-V-H), which is from an earlier root (H-Y-H) “to be.” Even that does “double duty,” because it can both refer to God, who is Eternal and who “is,” and it can refer to what He will become and do. — ",[87,395,353],{"href":351,"rel":396},[91],[30,398,399,400,404,405,409],{},"It is ",[87,401,403],{"href":402},"..\u002F..\u002Fshema\u002Fagency","common through the Bible that God uses agents"," to speak on His behalf. Due to the way ",[23,406,408],{"className":407,"dataReference":408},[26],"Exodus 3"," is translated the message often gets lost:",[129,411,412,415,418,421,424],{},[132,413,414],{},"God sends Moses to Pharaoh with a command \"bring My people, the children of Israel, out of Egypt\".",[132,416,417],{},"Moses note that he has no authority (\"whom am I that I should go to Pharaoh\"?).",[132,419,420],{},"God responds that Moses will act under His authority (\"I will be with you\")",[132,422,423],{},"Moses also asked how he should identify God to the people of Israel.",[132,425,426,427],{},"God responds:\n",[428,429,430,433,440,447],"ul",{},[132,431,432],{},"Assures Moses that He will be with him with the Pharaoh and be with him with the Israelites (\"I will be ... I will be\")",[132,434,435,436,439],{},"Moses had to act as God's ",[87,437,438],{"href":402},"agent"," (\"send you\")",[132,441,442,443,446],{},"Then God answered Moses' question and identified Himself as \"",[87,444,300],{"href":298,"rel":445},[91],", the God of your fathers... This is My name forever\" and that is exactly how Moses identified God to the Pharoah and to the Israelites as \"Yahweh\".",[132,448,449],{},"It is also how God would like to be remembered",[30,451,452,453,456,457,461],{},"\"I AM WHAT I AM\" is not God's designation. Moses never identified God this way to either the Pharaoh or to the Israelites. Instead Moses identified God as \"",[87,454,300],{"href":298,"rel":455},[91]," or the God of our fathers... (",[23,458,460],{"className":459,"dataReference":460},[26],"Exodus 5:1",",3; 7:16; 8:10,22; 9:1,13; 10:3,9,25, etc.)",[463,464,466],"h3",{"id":465},"why-this-does-not-identify-jesus-as-yhwh","Why This Does Not Identify Jesus as YHWH",[30,468,469,470,473,474,477,478,481,482,485,486,180,489,491,492,495],{},"The Greek translation of ",[23,471,40],{"className":472,"dataReference":40},[26]," says ",[77,475,476],{},"egō eimi ho ōn",", “I am the One who is,” and then identifies the sender as ",[77,479,480],{},"ho ōn",", “the One who is.” ",[23,483,27],{"className":484,"dataReference":27},[26]," does not reproduce this complete expression. ",[60,487,488],{},"Jesus says only",[77,490,92],{},", the ",[60,493,494],{},"ordinary Greek words"," “I am.”",[46,497,499],{"id":498},"identifying-the-context","Identifying the Context",[30,501,502],{},"Rather than a claim to deity, Jesus identified himself as the one previously promised. In the context of the conversation, he explained his superiority to Abraham. This superiority was not based on chronological age, but on his central role in the plan of God that existed before Abraham was born.",[46,504,506],{"id":505},"conclusion","Conclusion",[30,508,509,512,513,515],{},[23,510,27],{"className":511,"dataReference":27},[26]," does not prove that Jesus claimed to be YHWH. The Trinitarian argument depends on treating the ordinary Greek words ",[77,514,92],{}," as if they were themselves God’s exclusive personal name. The linguistic and contextual evidence presented in this article does not support that premise.",[428,517,518,527,548,559],{},[132,519,520,523,524,116],{},[77,521,522],{},"Egō eimi"," is an ordinary Greek expression used by Jesus and other people. Its use alone cannot establish the speaker’s identity as God, as demonstrated in ",[87,525,151],{"href":526},"#linguistic-usage-of-i-am",[132,528,529,532,533,536,537,539,540,543,544,116],{},[23,530,40],{"className":531,"dataReference":40},[26]," and ",[23,534,27],{"className":535,"dataReference":27},[26]," do not contain the same complete expression. The Septuagint identifies the sender as ",[77,538,480],{},", “the One who is,” but Jesus does not use that identifying title in ",[23,541,27],{"className":542,"dataReference":27},[26],". See ",[87,545,547],{"href":546},"#the-septuagint-evidence","The Septuagint Evidence",[132,549,550,551,554,555,116],{},"Exodus presents ",[77,552,553],{},"’ehyeh"," within God’s promise of presence and faithfulness, while verse 15 identifies Him as YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The English translation “I AM” should not be isolated from this Hebrew context and treated as a second proper ",[87,556,558],{"href":557},"#gods-name","name",[132,560,561,562,116],{},"Jesus’ statement occurs in a discussion about Abraham seeing the Messiah’s day. The passage can be understood as asserting Jesus’ priority in God’s purpose without requiring the conclusion that Jesus is the God who spoke to Moses. See ",[87,563,499],{"href":564},"#identifying-the-context",[30,566,567],{},"The argument “God said ‘I am,’ Jesus said ‘I am,’ therefore Jesus is God” does not follow. Shared wording does not establish shared identity, and a possible scriptural echo is not the same as a direct claim to bear the name YHWH.",[30,569,570,573,574],{},[23,571,27],{"className":572,"dataReference":27},[26]," may present Jesus as greater than Abraham, central to God’s plan, or existing before Abraham in some disputed sense. None of those possibilities, by itself, identifies Jesus as YHWH. The evidence therefore supports the narrower and more defensible conclusion: ",[60,575,576,579],{},[23,577,27],{"className":578,"dataReference":27},[26]," cannot legitimately be used as proof that Jesus claimed to be YHWH.",{"title":581,"searchDepth":582,"depth":582,"links":583},"",2,[584,585,586,590,591],{"id":48,"depth":582,"text":49},{"id":150,"depth":582,"text":151},{"id":270,"depth":582,"text":271,"children":587},[588],{"id":465,"depth":589,"text":466},3,{"id":498,"depth":582,"text":499},{"id":505,"depth":582,"text":506},"Exploring the meaning of Jesus' \"I am\" statement in \u003Cspan class=\"bible-ref\" data-reference=\"John 8:58\">John 8:58\u003C\u002Fspan> and its connection to \u003Cspan class=\"bible-ref\" data-reference=\"Exodus 3:14\">Exodus 3:14\u003C\u002Fspan> through Greek linguistic and biblical context.","md",{"keywords":595},"\u003Cspan class=\"bible-ref\" data-reference=\"John 8:58\">John 8:58\u003C\u002Fspan>, \u003Cspan class=\"bible-ref\" data-reference=\"Exodus 3:14\">Exodus 3:14\u003C\u002Fspan>, ego eimi, ho on, Septuagint, pre-existence, deity of Christ, I AM WHO I AM, biblical interpretation",true,"\u002Fdivine\u002Fclaims\u002Fi-am",{"title":14,"description":592},"divine\u002Fclaims\u002Fi-am","oMzf2zNe99-lr5cuVEKCO5SXEnq9f--mURqb-ImS7t0",1794459724875]